tuesday

fire & ice on belief

• ice: i havent met any religious person for a long long time, 
• ice: but i'm sure if i go there i'll be bombarded with things like that
• fire: no doubt
• ice: i was able to save two of my friends from becoming them
• fire: it really shouldnt matter to you and me whatever they follow, as long as they can be civil, can engage in open discussions, accept alternate view points on matters. belief, if it exists in a personal sphere, wouldnt be a problem i guess
• ice: the problem is, according to these extreme doctrines it is their mission to get others to believe that
• fire: yes, thats where things get messed up
• ice: i really dont have anything against any religion, i regard science also as a religious cult. and i dont believe in that either
• fire: atheism, like theism is also a 'religion' if one think through it. likewise science itself can be a religion
• fire: problem with certain doctrines of certain faiths of certain sacts is that they decelerates free-thought, critical thinking, human excellence
• ice: i also believe that athiesm is pretty much same as theism 
• fire: yes it is
• ice: it's a human thing!
• ice: from the first time he told me about this new conversions i have been telling him to keep an open mind
• ice: i keep reminding him that
• fire: he should be more exposed to human history
• ice: but then at some point some they change the meaning of concept of 'open'
• ice: because what a religion actually does it define a reality to measure things against
• ice : and if it become strict, it can actually manipulate the whole worldview of the person 
• fire: what a religion also does is offer certainty and absoluteness in a world of uncertaintly and confusion; the reason why i think such ideas are powerful
• fire: yes
• ice: exactly